1 00:00:05,020 --> 00:00:02,869 this is Jim semivan and you are 2 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:05,030 listening to that UFO podcast 3 00:00:14,629 --> 00:00:12,350 hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO 4 00:00:17,269 --> 00:00:14,639 podcast my name is Andy and I'm going to 5 00:00:20,630 --> 00:00:17,279 kick off with a joke Dan knock knock 6 00:00:23,990 --> 00:00:20,640 who's there not the uefo report due to 7 00:00:26,509 --> 00:00:24,000 Congress on the 31st of October 2022. we 8 00:00:28,910 --> 00:00:26,519 are still waiting on it as we come into 9 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:28,920 another breakdown for this month is it 10 00:00:32,930 --> 00:00:31,199 fair to say Dan by this point we thought 11 00:00:34,670 --> 00:00:32,940 we would have had a breaking news pod on 12 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:34,680 the report we thought we would have 13 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:37,020 dissected the report and also spoken to 14 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:38,760 a guest or two about the report as well 15 00:00:45,470 --> 00:00:42,780 yeah yeah 110 we we all expected to have 16 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:45,480 this available publicly by now and it's 17 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:46,739 not happened it's not even delivered to 18 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:49,680 a congress yet as far as We Know no 19 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:51,780 um so at this point do you think it's 20 00:00:55,369 --> 00:00:54,239 going to come out before like even New 21 00:00:57,709 --> 00:00:55,379 Year 22 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:57,719 is there any reason to think it wouldn't 23 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:58,920 be 24 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:02,100 seems to sell 25 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:05,640 not everyone um that's wrong people seem 26 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:07,619 to still think it's it's p it's coming 27 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:08,580 soon 28 00:01:12,649 --> 00:01:10,740 and it just made me think well who's to 29 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:12,659 say it's not February or March you know 30 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:15,060 yeah I mean it could be that long all 31 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:16,740 I've heard is one I've spoken to a dni 32 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:19,020 is that it's going through the process 33 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:20,280 of being approved through all the 34 00:01:25,190 --> 00:01:21,479 different apartments with the signing 35 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:25,200 off on it that kind of process will take 36 00:01:30,350 --> 00:01:27,720 as long as it takes I guess it could be 37 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:30,360 as well that the release is being held 38 00:01:35,990 --> 00:01:33,720 off until the legislation is signed in 39 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:36,000 because the you know things have changed 40 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:37,140 a little bit there in terms of the 41 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:39,119 immunity stuff and the expectation of 42 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:41,180 what's contained in the report so 43 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:43,680 that the the old remit for the report 44 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:46,320 does not fulfill the new remit so yeah 45 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:48,240 they might be holding off to to change 46 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:50,100 that but who knows we'll see when it 47 00:01:55,210 --> 00:01:53,759 comes yeah and it's still a pro oh God I 48 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:55,220 can't say the word preliminary 49 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:57,960 preliminary it's a preliminary report 50 00:02:01,789 --> 00:01:59,520 that should be removed from the Scottish 51 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:01,799 vocabulary that word it's impossible 52 00:02:07,609 --> 00:02:04,799 um it's still a first stage report given 53 00:02:10,910 --> 00:02:07,619 that Sean Kirkpatrick and and teams 54 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:10,920 first attempt at the report so it may 55 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:12,480 not be the worst thing that it's that's 56 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:14,940 delayed yeah um like you say it could be 57 00:02:18,290 --> 00:02:16,560 getting changed could be amended to it 58 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:18,300 no one knows at the minute that seems to 59 00:02:22,850 --> 00:02:19,800 be the thing doesn't it it was asked 60 00:02:24,650 --> 00:02:22,860 about it uh um Pentagon briefing just a 61 00:02:26,270 --> 00:02:24,660 few days ago by a journalist so it is 62 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:26,280 still being asked about by by 63 00:02:31,309 --> 00:02:28,500 journalists and it was very much like 64 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:31,319 you say it's it's with uh the right 65 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:33,840 people for a review and that's all they 66 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:35,700 know yeah and that's all we're going to 67 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:38,400 get so and I would just emphasize that 68 00:02:41,449 --> 00:02:39,780 because there are a lot of people out 69 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:41,459 there saying they do know they they 70 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:43,500 don't we're here in speculation on 71 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:45,300 rumors you know it's going through the 72 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:46,739 process and that's all anyone knows 73 00:02:50,809 --> 00:02:49,260 really unless you're on the inside where 74 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:50,819 you wouldn't be able to talk about this 75 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:52,319 there wouldn't be any more information 76 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:54,360 there do you not hate when people say 77 00:02:58,009 --> 00:02:56,400 they know for sure Dan 78 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:58,019 but you but you're saying you know for 79 00:03:02,390 --> 00:02:59,400 sure that people don't know 80 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:02,400 yeah I I put money on saying that people 81 00:03:06,890 --> 00:03:04,200 don't know it should be a speculation 82 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:06,900 yeah I've I've heard a date but I don't 83 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:08,760 know I haven't I'm joking yeah I think 84 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:10,200 that said that no one really does know 85 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:12,300 something happened 20th 5th of December 86 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:13,920 that's a pretty you know I'm hearing a 87 00:03:17,210 --> 00:03:15,780 lot of people talk about that date so 88 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:17,220 either it's a holiday or something's 89 00:03:22,009 --> 00:03:18,780 happening I'm kidding when it's 90 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:22,019 Christmas and Happy Thanksgiving day 91 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,120 after to those of you who celebrate such 92 00:03:28,009 --> 00:03:26,400 still not entirely sure other than a 93 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:28,019 viewing of The Addams Family when I was 94 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:29,099 a kid and there was a scene about 95 00:03:34,009 --> 00:03:30,840 Thanksgiving as to what it actually is 96 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:34,019 but it looks like a fun uh preemptive 97 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:36,360 Christmas I was treated to Thanksgiving 98 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:38,220 once in University I had someone from 99 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:40,860 New York Lyla claghorn uh she was kind 100 00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:42,480 of in my dorm and she did Thanksgiving 101 00:03:45,830 --> 00:03:44,159 for us all and the amount of food was 102 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:45,840 discussed in where it was delicious and 103 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:48,480 we all had a a great time but even after 104 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:50,760 partaking in it I'm not sure what it's 105 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:51,900 about 106 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:54,720 um I I yeah ghosting your enemies in 107 00:03:58,190 --> 00:03:56,340 yeah just show them I feel like that's 108 00:03:59,930 --> 00:03:58,200 traditional it seems that they offer 109 00:04:01,789 --> 00:03:59,940 abundance and excess and you know what 110 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:01,799 there's an excess of for your requests 111 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:04,379 by John Greenwald then there is our 112 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:06,840 lovely segue uh yeah just on the delayed 113 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:08,819 report if you feel a little bit down or 114 00:04:12,649 --> 00:04:10,980 a bit jaded about the fact this hasn't 115 00:04:15,170 --> 00:04:12,659 come out even though to be honest it 116 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:15,180 wasn't going to be ground breaking or 117 00:04:18,289 --> 00:04:16,560 earth-shattering it was going to be 118 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:18,299 similar I think at least to what we had 119 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:19,500 last time 120 00:04:23,450 --> 00:04:21,060 um but I was still excited to see it and 121 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:23,460 will be when it comes out John Greenwald 122 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:25,680 had a fire request back recently where 123 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:27,900 basically it's they're still actively 124 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:29,580 investigating what was the phrasing 125 00:04:35,390 --> 00:04:33,240 hundreds of reporters so remember what 126 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:35,400 what initially was set up by the task 127 00:04:39,770 --> 00:04:36,540 force 128 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:39,780 and the Dan reminds me there was 129 00:04:44,210 --> 00:04:41,699 legislation that followed as legislation 130 00:04:46,010 --> 00:04:44,220 the right word where the Navy and such 131 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:46,020 put out our 132 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:48,060 I'm forgetting all the terminology now 133 00:04:50,450 --> 00:04:49,020 but it's probably a good thing for 134 00:04:53,030 --> 00:04:50,460 people who are like myself and not into 135 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:53,040 the terminology but that they requested 136 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:55,380 Personnel report more that they wanted 137 00:04:58,450 --> 00:04:57,479 to get more reports in when all that 138 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:58,460 came out 139 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:00,900 yeah but the guidance changed and you 140 00:05:06,050 --> 00:05:02,340 know we want to know about reports of 141 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:06,060 UAP that that is I think a real win from 142 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,500 the last couple of years that we are 143 00:05:10,909 --> 00:05:09,360 getting more reports and John Greenwald 144 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:10,919 with these fantastic firework that he 145 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:12,840 does it has got that confirmed that 146 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:14,639 these reports are still coming in in the 147 00:05:20,030 --> 00:05:17,699 hundreds by Personnel all over so that 148 00:05:21,469 --> 00:05:20,040 that's good and just literally before we 149 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:21,479 recorded this Dan I don't know if you 150 00:05:25,129 --> 00:05:23,280 saw John greenwald's kind of breaking 151 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:25,139 news piece 152 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:27,360 um it's a commercial airlines recording 153 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:31,020 although um a UAP report the the Audio I 154 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:32,820 was listening to it it's 33 minutes long 155 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:34,800 but it's been condensed down just to 156 00:05:38,890 --> 00:05:37,199 remove long pauses and stuff but it's um 157 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:38,900 various different commercial airlines 158 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:42,180 reporting the same well I say phenomena 159 00:05:46,249 --> 00:05:43,860 the same lights 160 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:46,259 um one of them originally at 35 000 feet 161 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:48,660 sees uh what they call a sea of lights 162 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:52,800 on the ground that he says yeah 163 00:05:58,249 --> 00:05:55,919 over Kansas in September 2022 so just 164 00:06:01,490 --> 00:05:58,259 two months ago as we record this 165 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:01,500 um and they report it their the the air 166 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:03,960 traffic control sort of summarize could 167 00:06:07,490 --> 00:06:06,240 it be a football stadium or whatever but 168 00:06:08,749 --> 00:06:07,500 the location they're at they're saying 169 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:08,759 there's nothing that should account for 170 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:09,960 the amount of lights that they're seeing 171 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:11,460 or that those lights should even be 172 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:13,740 there they weren't entirely bright 173 00:06:17,450 --> 00:06:15,479 lights they were relatively dim from 174 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:17,460 what they said but they tracked them I 175 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:20,039 followed him for 50 miles apparently and 176 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:23,160 they they then radio other uh aircraft 177 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:25,199 ask who are going to be in the area can 178 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,580 they see these lights as well and there 179 00:06:29,809 --> 00:06:28,560 are reports that they did see them so I 180 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:29,819 hadn't got a chance to listen to the 181 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:31,440 full audio but that's when I would 182 00:06:34,430 --> 00:06:33,000 recommend I'm on John Greenwood's 183 00:06:35,749 --> 00:06:34,440 patreon as well so 184 00:06:37,490 --> 00:06:35,759 um that's why I've got that through so 185 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:37,500 if you can check that out folks go and 186 00:06:41,090 --> 00:06:39,060 have a little lesson just to hear some 187 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:41,100 commercial airline chatter about uh 188 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:43,500 essentially a sighting of Lights I'm not 189 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:45,600 going to say UFO sighting but 190 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:46,800 um well we don't know what they are we 191 00:06:49,490 --> 00:06:48,300 can we can say UFO sat in for now 192 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:49,500 because we don't know what they are so 193 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:51,180 they are literally unidentified flying 194 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:53,280 objects almost definitely alien 195 00:06:57,529 --> 00:06:54,900 spacecraft but I don't want you to say 196 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:57,539 too much reptilians yes absolutely yeah 197 00:07:00,409 --> 00:06:59,580 it's yet reticulite all that jazz so 198 00:07:01,969 --> 00:07:00,419 yeah I thought that was quite 199 00:07:03,469 --> 00:07:01,979 interesting to listen to um always 200 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:03,479 always a cool one so well done to John 201 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:05,400 so yeah these reports are still coming 202 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:08,940 in folks from All Sorts so even if this 203 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:11,039 report eventually comes out from the UFO 204 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:13,440 team arrow and it's a it's a nothing 205 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:15,300 Burger as people like to say or a 206 00:07:18,830 --> 00:07:17,340 nothing Burger as people like to say in 207 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:18,840 an American accent 208 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:20,340 um don't worry because the subject 209 00:07:23,689 --> 00:07:22,080 doesn't go away reports still come in 210 00:07:25,610 --> 00:07:23,699 there are still things flying about in 211 00:07:27,770 --> 00:07:25,620 the skies under the water and in space 212 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:27,780 that we do not know what they are and do 213 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:29,759 not know where they are from so the 214 00:07:33,529 --> 00:07:31,620 subject goes on so we'll see when the 215 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:33,539 report comes out that might be a good 216 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:34,919 place to actually mention 217 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:36,960 um Ross Colter's comments I think I was 218 00:07:39,969 --> 00:07:38,400 going to do this later but might be a 219 00:07:43,969 --> 00:07:39,979 good place to put it now then 220 00:07:45,890 --> 00:07:43,979 yeah it was on with uh James iandoli 221 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:45,900 engaging the phenomena on his channel 222 00:07:52,010 --> 00:07:49,680 and uh Ryan Robbins UFO Jesus and Chris 223 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:52,020 sharp lemonation times they were all 224 00:07:56,089 --> 00:07:54,360 chatting on retrieve a week which is 225 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:56,099 being promoted this week finishes this 226 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,139 weekend and that's something that James 227 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:00,960 iandoli started a year or so ago to 228 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:03,120 promote the idea and the Crash retrieval 229 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:04,560 stuff it was based on the New York Times 230 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:06,479 articles due to come out 231 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:09,120 um but Ross Coulter unlike Ross a lot of 232 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:10,800 people picked up on him sounding quite 233 00:08:16,189 --> 00:08:13,919 downbeat at the moment regarding people 234 00:08:18,589 --> 00:08:16,199 coming forward and the progress of the 235 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:18,599 UFO conversation in terms of a political 236 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:21,000 movement Ross is always very upbeat 237 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:22,620 isn't he on it and very 238 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:24,720 you know excited and very much you know 239 00:08:29,029 --> 00:08:26,879 things are happening and for a change 240 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:29,039 Ross seemed a little bit downbeat 241 00:08:33,589 --> 00:08:31,080 did you get a chance to catch the video 242 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:33,599 or even the comments on this one seen a 243 00:08:37,010 --> 00:08:35,279 lot of the comments uh so sort of chunk 244 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:37,020 of the video and yeah you're right Ross 245 00:08:41,449 --> 00:08:39,000 is usually you know there's a there's a 246 00:08:43,610 --> 00:08:41,459 fire under his butt usually uh but this 247 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:43,620 time uh it was a little downtrodden and 248 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:46,560 we've heard a lot about people saying 249 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:48,480 that things are being walked back that 250 00:08:51,949 --> 00:08:49,800 they're trying to put this catch up back 251 00:08:54,110 --> 00:08:51,959 in the bottle and and literally you know 252 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:54,120 we we talked before about how impossible 253 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:55,980 it is to kind of put ketchup tightly 254 00:09:00,590 --> 00:08:58,620 back in a bottle but 255 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:00,600 Ross was very 256 00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:02,519 very optimistic that there was some news 257 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:03,600 coming 258 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:07,200 that was around the same week of of the 259 00:09:12,430 --> 00:09:08,880 report dropping as well was it the 260 00:09:17,329 --> 00:09:15,769 nothing's really emerged so James Fox 261 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:17,339 did a similar thing you know he he said 262 00:09:20,030 --> 00:09:18,540 there was some news coming and now he 263 00:09:22,070 --> 00:09:20,040 said it's been delayed by a month or two 264 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:22,080 so for all we know a lot of this is kind 265 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:23,760 of bundled up into that report and 266 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:25,200 whether that's going to drop first and 267 00:09:28,850 --> 00:09:27,240 then all this stuff will come out uh but 268 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:28,860 it seems that there are a lot of moving 269 00:09:34,730 --> 00:09:31,440 pieces here so you know this isn't kind 270 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:34,740 of in the bank and done but we know 271 00:09:38,269 --> 00:09:36,420 people want to come forward to testify 272 00:09:40,670 --> 00:09:38,279 we know the secure system is being set 273 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:40,680 up so on so forth we're eventually going 274 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:42,240 to get there but based on Ross's 275 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:44,459 reaction I would say that uh it's 276 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:45,600 probably going to take a bit longer than 277 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:48,420 we expected initially yeah it did I 278 00:09:52,850 --> 00:09:49,800 tweet the day after 279 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,860 um retweeting an article and he himself 280 00:09:56,509 --> 00:09:54,959 said a glimmer of optimism more U.S 281 00:09:59,449 --> 00:09:56,519 military and government officials with 282 00:10:01,070 --> 00:09:59,459 knowledge of or experience with UFOs are 283 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:01,080 expected to come out of the Shadows soon 284 00:10:06,949 --> 00:10:04,200 so I think just maybe it was just being 285 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:06,959 a little bit more on the 286 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:09,660 on the negative side but potentially a 287 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:11,220 little bit more realistic given maybe 288 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:12,420 some things have happened in the 289 00:10:17,090 --> 00:10:15,240 background like you say that 290 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:17,100 it's not going to be as quick as he had 291 00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:20,580 hoped and he did go all out with us 292 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:22,320 October surprise stuff like a few people 293 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:24,480 did and I just don't know if there was a 294 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:26,160 real basis for it maybe they heard 295 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:28,320 something maybe it was a case of you 296 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:30,660 know a snowball going down the hill and 297 00:10:34,130 --> 00:10:32,100 it just became an avalanche with other 298 00:10:35,449 --> 00:10:34,140 people saying the same kind of stuff and 299 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:35,459 never something I had heard anything 300 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:37,080 about I could say that I suppose in 301 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:39,300 hindsight that's the event but I had 302 00:10:42,769 --> 00:10:41,279 never had any inkling as to what the 303 00:10:43,970 --> 00:10:42,779 October surprise could have been I 304 00:10:45,470 --> 00:10:43,980 remember a few people at the time had 305 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:45,480 got in touch to see or what could it be 306 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:47,640 do you know nothing there was never any 307 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:49,980 idea other than the reports Joe on 308 00:10:55,370 --> 00:10:52,200 Halloween that that was it or by 309 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:55,380 Halloween and it's not came out so uh so 310 00:10:58,670 --> 00:10:57,000 yeah that was but again it's refreshing 311 00:11:00,590 --> 00:10:58,680 to see Ross can I pick himself back up 312 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:00,600 and and get right back on the wagon with 313 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:02,040 that one Ross has done some fantastic 314 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:04,920 reporting on on the subject 315 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:07,260 um what then did can I bring me down 316 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:08,640 this week uh some really interesting 317 00:11:12,650 --> 00:11:10,860 interviews by Richard Dolan I'll put the 318 00:11:14,449 --> 00:11:12,660 links in the description for people to 319 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:14,459 check those out as well Dan you have a 320 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:16,980 time to check them uh the the first one 321 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:18,480 do you want to go with the list threads 322 00:11:22,130 --> 00:11:21,120 first or the Apple yeah list threads 323 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:22,140 okay cool 324 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:24,480 yeah let's do loose threads first 325 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:27,660 so let's read Dan do you know or I said 326 00:11:30,050 --> 00:11:28,740 do you know what it is of course you 327 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:30,060 know what it is I know you've watched it 328 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:32,040 and had the document 329 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:33,120 um so do you want to give a quick 330 00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:35,519 summary of what this loose threads thing 331 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:36,959 is for those who might not have heard of 332 00:11:41,569 --> 00:11:38,940 it yeah for sure so 333 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:41,579 a number of days ago to two users on 334 00:11:46,430 --> 00:11:44,399 Twitter posted a nion 250 page document 335 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:46,440 that's very thorough and they'd gone 336 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:48,180 through a bunch of research the the 337 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:49,920 paper analyzes a number of kind of 338 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:51,600 recently leaked documents like the Davis 339 00:11:56,930 --> 00:11:53,820 Wilson notes the oak Shannon notes uh 340 00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:56,940 the Jack uh hook notes I never get that 341 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:58,800 pronunciation right yeah um along with 342 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:00,180 some other kind of documents 343 00:12:04,130 --> 00:12:01,980 Publications and interviews and it 344 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:04,140 pieces together a really incredible 345 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:07,440 story and kind of timeline from you know 346 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,320 going back to the 40s really 347 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:12,839 um of people involved in this subject 348 00:12:17,990 --> 00:12:15,540 and paint a very compelling picture for 349 00:12:19,550 --> 00:12:18,000 who it is we should be looking at 350 00:12:21,949 --> 00:12:19,560 um as well as kind of covering a couple 351 00:12:23,990 --> 00:12:21,959 of main themes so uh it speaks about the 352 00:12:25,310 --> 00:12:24,000 advanced theoretical physics working 353 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:25,320 group 354 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:27,360 um that that was from like 1985 if 355 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:28,440 people have ever heard the name John 356 00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:30,060 Alexander he was involved there that's 357 00:12:34,509 --> 00:12:31,920 kind of where he comes from 358 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:34,519 um UFO tracking and beating as well 359 00:12:39,730 --> 00:12:36,480 including kind of directed energy 360 00:12:42,530 --> 00:12:39,740 weapons being able to take down UFOs 361 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:42,540 1985 as a vital inflection point as well 362 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:43,740 in terms of 363 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:45,420 when this kind of change started 364 00:12:49,490 --> 00:12:47,820 happening and people that were kind of 365 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:49,500 previously on the outside were kind of 366 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,360 starting to figure out maybe how they 367 00:12:55,850 --> 00:12:53,040 could get on the inside in terms of the 368 00:12:57,650 --> 00:12:55,860 UFO subject and then it really Dives in 369 00:12:58,850 --> 00:12:57,660 as well to remote viewing in UFOs and 370 00:13:01,069 --> 00:12:58,860 the connections there as well as 371 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:01,079 experience the studies and that's the 372 00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:02,940 stuff really in it that I found you know 373 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:05,220 most intriguing and most compelling uh 374 00:13:09,050 --> 00:13:06,899 because yeah they were going through 375 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:09,060 basically everything from from the 376 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:11,279 Monroe Institute right up to modern day 377 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:13,800 where you know by the end of the 378 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:16,680 interview you'll have a fairly solid 379 00:13:21,829 --> 00:13:20,040 notion that there is probably a modern 380 00:13:24,410 --> 00:13:21,839 day remote viewing program that is 381 00:13:26,930 --> 00:13:24,420 ongoing and studying UFOs and 382 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:26,940 experiences the the two individuals who 383 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:28,980 put it together they go under pseudonyms 384 00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:31,380 online it's Omega point and hermetic 385 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,079 penetrator ruffle copter for those who 386 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:36,000 it Richard Dolan had a little giggle at 387 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:37,500 that name himself 388 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:40,139 um but those two where the the gents 389 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:42,120 have put it together with some some help 390 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:43,560 from others in the background Dan from 391 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:45,240 what see 392 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:46,800 um I don't know how big a secret that is 393 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:48,660 or not but yeah there was others 394 00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:49,800 involved yeah there are some names 395 00:13:53,629 --> 00:13:51,540 mentioned in in that interview there uh 396 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:53,639 you know James iandoli is always a big 397 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:55,980 help to everyone in the community uh 398 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:57,300 yeah a lot of the community came 399 00:14:01,850 --> 00:13:59,160 together to make this happen uh led by 400 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:01,860 those two uh wonderful folk what I'd say 401 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:04,680 is if you're if you have a 402 00:14:08,569 --> 00:14:07,260 a surface level interest in a UFO topic 403 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:08,579 if you're listening to shows like this 404 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:11,100 or others to kind of get your news and 405 00:14:14,449 --> 00:14:12,720 you listen to interviewers and you maybe 406 00:14:16,009 --> 00:14:14,459 hear some detail within some of the 407 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,019 interviews that you're not too sure of 408 00:14:20,269 --> 00:14:18,480 the background I think if you watch the 409 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:20,279 Richard Dolan interview 410 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,620 um on this it's three hours long or you 411 00:14:26,210 --> 00:14:24,480 read the document itself I think 412 00:14:28,009 --> 00:14:26,220 there'll be a lot of things within the 413 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:28,019 document you'll go Ah that's the 414 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:30,180 background to that or ah I've heard 415 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,339 Grant gab Grant Cameron mentioned this 416 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:35,040 in one of his recent interviews you know 417 00:14:38,990 --> 00:14:36,899 or one of his own shows or I've heard 418 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:39,000 this talked about here's the basis for 419 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:41,100 that or here's where it came from so it 420 00:14:44,689 --> 00:14:42,959 really does like like it says it's loose 421 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,699 threads it ties up a lot of those loose 422 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:45,839 threads 423 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:48,899 um the to a lot of different things that 424 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:52,320 maybe make sense of that bigger picture 425 00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:53,820 um so yeah it was it was pretty 426 00:14:58,430 --> 00:14:56,639 interesting um to tie a lot of that in 427 00:15:01,790 --> 00:14:58,440 even the idea of that advanced 428 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:01,800 theatrical physics working group or ATP 429 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:04,079 um long before atip there was oh no that 430 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:05,600 is literally just going to 431 00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:09,120 yeah and um it was the task task force 432 00:15:12,829 --> 00:15:10,680 Delta it was called originally that's 433 00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:12,839 right the group that came from it and it 434 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,339 was just a group of individuals who had 435 00:15:18,829 --> 00:15:16,800 an interest uh a high interest in the 436 00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:18,839 UFO subject at scientific or military 437 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:22,139 level yeah and um yeah task force Delta 438 00:15:26,990 --> 00:15:24,180 was it was kind of a bit broader it was 439 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:27,000 an Army kind of commission group uh that 440 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:28,800 was just there to think outside the box 441 00:15:32,449 --> 00:15:30,600 apparently so far that there wasn't even 442 00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,459 a box you know they'd just be looking at 443 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:34,079 different solutions and outlying 444 00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:35,639 technology that maybe they could use 445 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:37,620 yeah nothing was off the table if you 446 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:39,300 want to have ridiculous Notions or 447 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:41,160 discussions about what this could be how 448 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:42,660 it could work it was yeah it was 449 00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:45,420 encouraged from the language I saw so 450 00:15:49,069 --> 00:15:46,860 yeah it really does kind of take you 451 00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:49,079 back through the decades and focusing on 452 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,120 documents pulling some of these players 453 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:54,240 together you get involved in in one 454 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:57,300 thread of the UFO subject and it pulls 455 00:16:01,129 --> 00:15:58,620 them into here's what they were involved 456 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:01,139 in before that and after that as well so 457 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:02,639 yeah really really good work really 458 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:05,100 interesting and I would suggest most 459 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:07,620 Forks are probably benefit from watching 460 00:16:11,810 --> 00:16:10,139 the Richard Dolan interview first and 461 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:11,820 getting the information from there but 462 00:16:15,949 --> 00:16:13,980 then definitely give the The Gents a 463 00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:15,959 shout out and a like and such if you can 464 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:17,279 on social media for the work they've 465 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:19,740 done and then check out the paper if you 466 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:21,120 want to Deep dive into that as well 467 00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,620 that's something I'll look into myself 468 00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:24,720 eventually it's been a very busy week 469 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,519 but regarding reading that like you say 470 00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:29,279 it's a big document it's 250 pages but 471 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,779 there's a lot of really cool stuff in 472 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:33,120 there so so well done to them for 473 00:16:36,889 --> 00:16:35,220 putting in that leg work 474 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:36,899 um a couple of new things in there as 475 00:16:40,189 --> 00:16:37,800 well 476 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,199 um there's uh so so a few things that 477 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:42,720 kind of jumped out to me uh one one was 478 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:45,779 there was a NASA engineer called Bob 479 00:16:50,509 --> 00:16:49,199 exler who was a UFO researcher as well 480 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:50,519 which I thought was great because we 481 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:52,320 always talk about NASA being the leader 482 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:54,360 of conspiracies and here we have a NASA 483 00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:55,740 engineer who didn't actually know more 484 00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,120 but he wanted to know more so we went 485 00:17:02,269 --> 00:16:59,519 searching um and he he came across a 486 00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:02,279 number of people who basically said to 487 00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:04,380 him I can't talk about that and then a 488 00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:06,059 few years later other people got in 489 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,600 touch with the same folk who uh when 490 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:12,240 they asked about UFO programs and 491 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,220 Engineering that they were a part of the 492 00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:16,319 response uh this was from Evan Hindman 493 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:18,419 he he literally responded with I am a 494 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:19,740 long way in quite a few years from 495 00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:21,540 working in the area you're researching 496 00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:23,819 which kind of confirms that he worked on 497 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,740 it in the past right that that's a very 498 00:17:28,850 --> 00:17:27,360 potent and that was a new name to me as 499 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,860 well so you know there's going to be a 500 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:30,360 lot of Google in there 501 00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:31,020 um 502 00:17:36,409 --> 00:17:33,960 to get that conversation uh they they 503 00:17:38,930 --> 00:17:36,419 kind of had to mention uh Bobby I want 504 00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:38,940 to say Bobby Ray Inman and it's quite 505 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:40,559 quite a prominent figure and this was 506 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:43,260 before as well that guy became such a 507 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:45,480 well-known name in the UFO field so he's 508 00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:47,400 being mentioned way before it he is the 509 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:49,140 oldest living Director of National 510 00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:50,940 Intelligence so that's a really 511 00:17:55,789 --> 00:17:53,280 interesting connection there Jay from 512 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,799 Project Unity interviewed Barbary Edmund 513 00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:57,960 was it was it probably admin at Jay and 514 00:18:07,370 --> 00:18:06,169 recently uh Jay interviewed Oak Shannon 515 00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:07,380 um which is where I love those 516 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:09,480 theoretical physics working group notes 517 00:18:13,850 --> 00:18:11,160 came from 518 00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:13,860 um but yeah and 519 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,700 they they speak about uh basically the 520 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:19,440 the remote viewing programs get to a 521 00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,120 point where they're just like right we 522 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:22,799 need to kind of bring this under you 523 00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:23,640 know 524 00:18:27,169 --> 00:18:25,740 a classified program or somewhere that 525 00:18:29,330 --> 00:18:27,179 it's it's better funded and better 526 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:29,340 looked at and at this point they were 527 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:31,260 talking to the Monroe Institute Bob 528 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:34,140 Monroe uh and they hosted a kind of 529 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:36,000 presentation Retreat for you know the 530 00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:37,380 science board 531 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:40,559 this is where kit green was tasked with 532 00:18:47,090 --> 00:18:44,760 basically reviewing remote viewing as a 533 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,100 you know a real thing 534 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,960 kit Green in recent years has kind of 535 00:18:52,190 --> 00:18:50,400 said oh you know a lot of this is human 536 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:52,200 cause and so on so forth but some of the 537 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:55,020 quotes here are crazy so when they said 538 00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:56,760 to kick green hey we want you to review 539 00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:58,260 this 540 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:00,660 on the terms that we we essentially want 541 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,760 to take these protocols give them to 542 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,799 normal soldiers and have normal soldiers 543 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,900 become remote viewers and outstanding 544 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:08,160 remote viewers 545 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:10,860 at that point kit green responds with I 546 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:12,360 looked at the blood test their genetic 547 00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:14,580 test their IQ test the neurological 548 00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:17,940 tasks and the cardiovascular tests which 549 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,760 has a lot to do with Endocrinology I 550 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,039 concluded that these people are abnormal 551 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,380 so this is picking up on what we've 552 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,880 heard in recent years with Gary Nolan 553 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,559 kind of finding that there's a you know 554 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,480 some biological differences in 555 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:32,400 experiences whether that came before the 556 00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:34,200 experience or after uh you know we're 557 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,660 not too sure but kick green essentially 558 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:38,400 recommended hey you know we know these 559 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,200 biomarkers exist so instead of just 560 00:19:43,549 --> 00:19:41,760 teaching normal soldiers how to remote 561 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:43,559 view why don't we look for people with 562 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:45,000 these biomarkers because we know 563 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:46,860 there'll be rock stars at this and we'll 564 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:49,320 employ those people instead of just you 565 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:51,720 know training normal people uh which I 566 00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:53,820 thought was astounding thing to say you 567 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,900 know that that's kind of essentially 568 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,640 confirmation from Kate green of yes this 569 00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:58,200 works yes there are markers that we can 570 00:20:02,150 --> 00:19:59,880 track people in the population and pick 571 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:02,160 them and then that leads all the way to 572 00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:04,500 and this was again was a new bit for me 573 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:06,120 there were some things in here that I 574 00:20:10,010 --> 00:20:07,980 wish that I'd heard before I spoke to Dr 575 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:10,020 Greer by the way uh because I definitely 576 00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:11,400 would have brought up a whole lot uh 577 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:12,780 because apparently he was kind of in the 578 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:15,000 mix early 90s in this uh in his 579 00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:16,500 protocols were looked at as a kind of 580 00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:18,840 remote view in 2.0 uh referred to as 581 00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:21,179 remote vectoring uh I.E you know back to 582 00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:22,860 the craft to you ce5 that's what we're 583 00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,020 talking about uh but yeah 584 00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:27,539 we go all the way forward to randallsham 585 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:29,940 and John Burroughs who who touched the 586 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:32,220 craft and we know that uh it got to a 587 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:35,340 point where he couldn't get insurance 588 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:38,100 or medical insurance because his records 589 00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:40,440 were said to be classified it was kit 590 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:43,500 green who wrote a letter to John McCain 591 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,960 who then you know pressured folk to 592 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:47,760 unclassify those medical records so he 593 00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:49,140 could actually get the treatment he got 594 00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:50,340 the treatment he survived he's still 595 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:52,860 here but as part of that 596 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,640 jonbers was taken to uh earthtech and he 597 00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,080 was briefed on remote viewing and 598 00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:59,760 certain types of yoga and meditation 599 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,100 which you know come up often and 600 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,320 apparently he was taken to Sedona 601 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:06,900 with uh some people that you know we 602 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:08,220 don't know but they were from the remote 603 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,660 viewing program 604 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:11,760 and apparently nothing happens this this 605 00:21:15,289 --> 00:21:13,320 place is apparently like skin walker 606 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:15,299 Ranch nothing happens and as they're 607 00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:16,860 about to leave all these craft appear 608 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:19,140 they see triangle crafts orbs and 609 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:20,220 they're asking themselves you know why 610 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:22,260 why did this happen 611 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,820 so John didn't do yoga or meditation or 612 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:29,520 ce5 when they were at this spot it just 613 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:31,260 seems that these things were attracted 614 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:33,480 to him and there was a really nice 615 00:21:36,770 --> 00:21:35,100 phrase that they used here that Gary 616 00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,780 Nolan brought into our lives uh called 617 00:21:41,149 --> 00:21:39,120 lighthouses in the dark and it certainly 618 00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:41,159 seems like John Burr has been in this 619 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,220 one hot spot seems to have attracted 620 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:46,799 these beings or these craft to this 621 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:48,120 place 622 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,000 why that happened is anyone's guess but 623 00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:53,280 I think that was an explosive part of 624 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,780 the story I can see you kind of leaning 625 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,400 in as I'm telling it yeah yeah you know 626 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,600 these crafting orbs apparently just 627 00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,460 appeared that's insane 628 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,919 um and yeah it could be that there's a 629 00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:03,600 biological marker in people that when 630 00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:05,340 you put them in hot spots you can tell 631 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,419 that this kind of stuff is going to 632 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:08,580 happen and this is early 90s and we're 633 00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:10,020 30 years later now so you've got to 634 00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:12,059 wonder how that's developed well a nice 635 00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:13,980 segue into Rich Dolan's other interview 636 00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,620 that I did watch this week uh but just 637 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:19,679 the FYI uh Jay from Project Unity did 638 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,440 interview Admiral Bobby Inman that is 90 639 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:24,360 now that interview is up on his channel 640 00:22:27,649 --> 00:22:25,620 I'll put the link in the description 641 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,659 below and that was eight or nine months 642 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,400 ago now time goes really funny I thought 643 00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:30,960 it was quite recent but I suppose that 644 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:33,000 is relatively but yeah here we go 645 00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:34,740 um but you mentioned ce5 and remote 646 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:37,740 viewing an individual who wasn't too 647 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,120 fond of 85 was Richard Dolan's uh 648 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:44,280 interview with Alan Levine Alan Levine 649 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:46,140 was part of April the aluminous 650 00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,640 anomalous phenomena research 651 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:49,559 organization station 652 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,200 um and that's to me Dan I remember I 653 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,760 said to you before you listen to it 654 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,440 didn't uh that it felt like a real 655 00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,320 throwback interview to the 90s Art Bell 656 00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:01,020 Coast to Coast here was a guy on talking 657 00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,100 about 658 00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:03,919 um and like I said the names Alan Levine 659 00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,280 uh nuts and bolts E.T craft coming from 660 00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:11,039 other planets he he didn't like the idea 661 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:12,299 of 662 00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:14,940 um talking about experiencers that kind 663 00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,539 of language ce5 remote viewing he felt a 664 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,159 lot of that was mudding the waters 665 00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:22,559 almost almost a disinformation type 666 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,780 thing to take away from the fact we do 667 00:23:29,210 --> 00:23:26,940 have and you know non-human intelligence 668 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:29,220 from other planets visiting us and it 669 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,900 was it was a real throwback sounding 670 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,360 interview and which not that I 671 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:34,799 necessarily agreed with everything he 672 00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:37,080 said at all but I found it refreshing in 673 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,480 a way just with how different the 674 00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:41,220 conversation how broad the conversation 675 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,799 can tend to go these days so it's one I 676 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,360 definitely recommend 677 00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,000 um people listening to it because Alan 678 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:50,760 Levine seemed to impress Rich Dolan with 679 00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,140 a lot of what he was talking about the 680 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:54,000 people he was mentioning 681 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:55,799 um I think Dan when we discussed the 682 00:24:00,110 --> 00:23:58,200 interview one part of it was 683 00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,120 who was it you brought up that I said to 684 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:02,340 you he told the story David a day David 685 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:04,140 David they are the Forest Gump of 686 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:07,500 ufology as yeah so he he brings up David 687 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,340 Adair and they talk about Richard Dolan 688 00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:12,720 mentions how 689 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,340 on I wasn't going to talk about this but 690 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,320 it's quite funny he mentions how at a 691 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,700 conference I think it was one of the 692 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:20,280 Awakening conferences I was a member of 693 00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:21,480 Richard site when this happened well 694 00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:23,280 yeah when he posted it yeah so it was 695 00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,740 like 2019 maybe before that yeah it was 696 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,539 around there yeah but then he mentions 697 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,520 he was there with Mike batter and they 698 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,320 were watching David Adair talk and 699 00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:34,080 basically Mike Barron and Richard dolom 700 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:35,640 are going do you believe this guy do you 701 00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,080 continue do you believe this do you 702 00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:39,179 believe this and Alan Levine very much 703 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:41,340 said David Adair was the real deal and 704 00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,580 that David Adair was at Neil Armstrong's 705 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,980 house sleeping in his childhood bed the 706 00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:49,140 the day Neil Armstrong walked on the 707 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,780 moon because childhood beds are smaller 708 00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:53,520 right so like is he just a full-grown 709 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:55,020 adult with his feet going at the edge 710 00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:57,000 yeah I mean he was staying over but 711 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,440 there's there's context for the story 712 00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:00,240 and everything but it was it was just 713 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,340 quite an interesting conversation like I 714 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:04,080 say folks go and check it out again the 715 00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:05,700 link will be in the description 716 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,120 um I'll make a note of that but yeah 717 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,039 what what interested me was 718 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,320 he made comments about and I spoke to 719 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:16,020 you about that Stan experiencers he 720 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,280 doesn't like the term he prefers 721 00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:19,860 eyewitness and we should be looking for 722 00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,620 eyewitnesses and I think some of what he 723 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,440 said might upset experiences and and the 724 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,240 way he was talking about it again very 725 00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,880 dismissive of ce5 what were your 726 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,980 thoughts on that especially things done 727 00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:34,860 like like you've just mentioned ct5 728 00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:35,940 before 729 00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:39,179 but he laughed at the notion that Dan 730 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:40,860 could go out into his back garden and 731 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,320 it's very dismissive but basically do 732 00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:46,080 some ce5 and that some really 733 00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,940 intelligent beings traveling millions of 734 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,740 light years across the Galaxy will stop 735 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,320 their their craft to wave and come down 736 00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:53,940 to Dan's back garden and see what he 737 00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:56,760 wants which is a very bastardized 738 00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:01,020 version of what ct5 is is is making the 739 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,179 jest what were your thoughts on on Alan 740 00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,700 Levine I I mean I I really enjoyed the 741 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:07,919 interview Alan has so much knowledge and 742 00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,679 so much kind of you know side so many 743 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:12,720 sidebars uh during that interview as 744 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,460 well with just interesting things that 745 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,679 kind of you know add to the UFO 746 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,620 conversation I I feel like very nuts and 747 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,480 bolts driven you know like you say he 748 00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:22,799 wants to use Witnesses and not 749 00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:25,559 experiences and that kind of we've heard 750 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,779 that before in some ways um from others 751 00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:28,799 where they say you know you don't 752 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,779 experience a sandwich you you eat the 753 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,580 sandwich you can call everything an 754 00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,860 experience if you want to go that way uh 755 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,360 but I I feel like that was the language 756 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:38,720 difference he was getting at in terms of 757 00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:41,460 ce5 and and you know things stopping to 758 00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,500 waver us 759 00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,559 there's a lot of assumptions there 760 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,480 um about what these beings are where 761 00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,940 they come from to kind of think 762 00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,760 why would they stop and you know was 763 00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,200 they kind of coming to the planet to 764 00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,299 waver Bob in his backyard kind of doing 765 00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,760 ce5 for all we know it could be like a 766 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,860 tour bus right and they're just here to 767 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,840 see people who who light up like these 768 00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:06,000 lighthouses in the dark to them you know 769 00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,620 what would be more interesting if if 770 00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:09,539 they are kind of Sci based and they use 771 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,580 kind of telepathy and things like that 772 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:14,400 you would aim for people who were more 773 00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,960 likely to be able to interact with you 774 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,460 as opposed to people that didn't show up 775 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,100 you know uh so it didn't it didn't 776 00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,840 really push anything off the table for 777 00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,700 me uh I I thought it was kind of 778 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,679 unfortunate that he spoke on these notes 779 00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,120 and Vault Stones because like you say 780 00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:29,039 there's there are going to be a lot of 781 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,779 people where that rubs them up the wrong 782 00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,700 way whereas I I personally I feel it was 783 00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,799 just a language thing you know just 784 00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:37,200 words and we're just trying to find that 785 00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,460 that kind of 786 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,039 agreed term that we use to talk about 787 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:43,380 these things because whether they are 788 00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:45,000 aliens stopping in the atmosphere to 789 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,679 give it a wave or not there are things 790 00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:48,480 there that seem to respond to those 791 00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:51,059 protocols so what they are is anyone's 792 00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,620 guess so they didn't necessarily have to 793 00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,900 come from is it to reticulate to do that 794 00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,340 way then it could be an interdimensional 795 00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:58,799 thing and you know we've heard 796 00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:02,640 ideas as well where ce5 the person doing 797 00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,620 it is generating the light flash in the 798 00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,480 sky and it's kind of latent psychic kind 799 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:08,520 of ability uh lots of different 800 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,260 possibilities that that I wouldn't kind 801 00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,480 of push that off the table for but I I 802 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:14,700 did love some of the stuff you know 803 00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,500 Alan was the first person to speak to 804 00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:18,840 Travis Walton uh there was the day after 805 00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,539 that he came back apparently yeah yeah 806 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:23,220 and there was some interesting he 807 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:25,080 mentioned about polygraph tests and what 808 00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:26,400 I really liked about this part of the 809 00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:27,960 interview was actually that Alan was 810 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,299 emphasizing that polygraph tests are 811 00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,520 notoriously unreliable so you kind of 812 00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:34,260 have to take them with a pinch of salt 813 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,900 and and there were so many times in 814 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,640 cases where polygraphs come up as the 815 00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,840 be-all and end all and they're not 816 00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:41,279 they're not admissible in court they can 817 00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:42,419 just kind of give you a guidance and 818 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,679 tell you whether someone's fibbing to 819 00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,880 you or not 820 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:46,679 um and then you can kind of follow along 821 00:28:49,370 --> 00:28:48,360 the track of I think they've been there 822 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,380 for all pressure them and they might 823 00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,880 confess you know like that kind of stuff 824 00:28:55,149 --> 00:28:53,220 you have just ruined years of Jerry 825 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,159 Springer for many minutes 826 00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:58,799 sorry not sorry yeah 827 00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,260 um there were a couple of other really 828 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:03,480 interesting Parts you you know 829 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:05,220 he was saying that they would keep 830 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,220 certain details back from kind of public 831 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,740 discourse so I thought that was 832 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,360 unpleased and yeah yeah it was really 833 00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,679 interesting right like a couple of 834 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:16,020 things came up about like the eyes how 835 00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,460 they weren't just big and black they had 836 00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:19,080 irises 837 00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,760 um and 838 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:23,159 talking about Travis and a lot of other 839 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,600 people were reporting that inside these 840 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:26,460 ships there are no corners there are 841 00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:28,260 just curved surfaces 842 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,640 um which does make me think that Steve 843 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,200 Jobs was an alien because apparently his 844 00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:33,120 house was the similar kind of thing he 845 00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:35,940 hated kind of sharp Corners uh but yeah 846 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:38,580 again details that you can infer a lot 847 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:40,620 from and and Alan kind of emphasized 848 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,700 this a lot going through the interview 849 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,880 that no matter what detail it is you can 850 00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:46,380 kind of backward engineer the thought 851 00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:48,120 and kind of think okay if there's a big 852 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,799 eye there why would that big eye be 853 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:51,120 there okay will they travel in space 854 00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,740 therefore they're gonna need to let more 855 00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,059 light into the right to see better 856 00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:56,100 therefore there I would grow that and we 857 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,960 know that the eye needs to be round to 858 00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:59,760 kind of focus the light on a certain 859 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,799 point so that the brain can read it and 860 00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:03,179 you can kind of start modeling you know 861 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:04,919 the anatomy of these things and whether 862 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,500 they could exist uh based off details 863 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:09,120 like that and I found that really really 864 00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:10,980 captivated 865 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,899 um there was a point as well where it 866 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,240 was brought up about why do these things 867 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,700 keep crashing if they're so Advanced and 868 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:18,960 Alan rightly said you know just because 869 00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,220 you have a Lamborghini it doesn't make 870 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:22,500 you smarter than everyone else which I 871 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,880 thought was a really good point uh 872 00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:26,100 really succinctly he made the I think he 873 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,899 made the point and again there will be 874 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,360 people listening to this far better than 875 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:32,640 me and maybe even yourself that I put 876 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,779 you obviously knowing more than I do 877 00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,880 about that I would say more for longer 878 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:38,460 but yeah sharp so yeah more than you as 879 00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:40,980 well then there you go but um the idea 880 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,279 that we assume these things visiting 881 00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,440 here all made these crafts themselves 882 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:49,080 but they made the point what if they had 883 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,460 just back engineered something that 884 00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:52,320 crashed on their Planet what if they 885 00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,140 shot down something and now had the 886 00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,380 crafts through whatever means to fly 887 00:31:01,789 --> 00:31:00,480 here so there's that assumption isn't 888 00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,799 there that oh well these things have 889 00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,299 this technology so they must be so much 890 00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:05,460 better than us and what if they're just 891 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:07,140 10 years ahead in a back engineering 892 00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,760 program and it was that was a really 893 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,799 interesting way to look at it wasn't 894 00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,960 that a really interesting point 895 00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:14,940 um even going back to some of his 896 00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,340 conversations about Holloman and their 897 00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,500 their being an apro office within 898 00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,659 Holloman Air Force Base yeah some of the 899 00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,520 individuals involved with that that it 900 00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,799 was kind of it wasn't unofficial but it 901 00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:28,020 was small and it was to the side and and 902 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:29,580 they seem to have a lot of money as well 903 00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,380 and they had staff and it seemed like 904 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,940 maybe there was an official hand in it 905 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,620 and yeah that was intriguing I hope that 906 00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:36,600 comes out in the future talks there's a 907 00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:38,220 lot in it folks honestly I think it's 908 00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,539 one that I would definitely recommend 909 00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:41,279 you go and check out as a standalone 910 00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:42,299 interview 911 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:44,520 um so two two pretty big ones from Rich 912 00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,740 Dolan in the space of a week to be fair 913 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,360 um I I would recommend checking both of 914 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,760 them out one very much a research base 915 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,100 to other Alan Levine 916 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,740 a guy with quite an extensive background 917 00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:58,260 and character profile but he he talks 918 00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:59,700 about a lot of people 919 00:32:03,169 --> 00:32:01,320 um spanning a lot of time as well so 920 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,179 definitely worth checking both of those 921 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,640 out yeah Dan yeah yeah definitely the 922 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:07,200 one of my favorite points I think from 923 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,340 that interview was when they were 924 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,600 talking about lost tribes in the Amazon 925 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:11,640 and and Alan was quite correctly saying 926 00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:13,080 you know do we study these tribes by 927 00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,179 satellite and these tribes have no idea 928 00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:17,580 that this space-faring civilization is 929 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,020 studying them by satellite and 930 00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,240 apparently they flew a drone in and you 931 00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:23,100 know we just got speared basically and 932 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,600 you've got to wonder what that tribe 933 00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,820 thought when they saw that flying drone 934 00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:28,080 you know it's gonna be like one of us 935 00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:29,880 seeing a UFO 936 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:31,140 um and when we went there we didn't 937 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,820 offer technology we didn't have to solve 938 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,080 their problems we didn't bring them a 939 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:37,200 healthcare you know so it's very much a 940 00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:39,720 similar situation but uh but yeah you 941 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,659 know we we the advanced civilization 942 00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:44,159 didn't solve anything for the less 943 00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:45,720 Advanced civilization it was just an 944 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:48,659 observational visit which could be what 945 00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,059 you know our visitors are doing too yeah 946 00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,700 can I just drop a fact on the in view on 947 00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:55,080 you because I thought this was really 948 00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,720 cool they were talking about inventions 949 00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:59,340 and how it long it takes them to kind of 950 00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:00,899 come to Market when do you think the fax 951 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,779 machine was invented the facts machines 952 00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:06,240 machine yeah um I would say the fax 953 00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:09,720 machine was invented in 1904 1904 954 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,580 average your um questions 955 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,279 1843. ah which is insane like we didn't 956 00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:19,200 even have telephones then and this was 957 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:20,760 you know a wired fax machine and it 958 00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,679 worked kind of different from the facts 959 00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,299 that we're thinking of but that's where 960 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,340 it started the electric motor apparently 961 00:33:30,889 --> 00:33:28,440 took 60 years before it caught on after 962 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,899 someone patented it so 963 00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:33,059 you know just to say basically that this 964 00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:34,980 technology we're talking about you know 965 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,659 gravity technology or anti-gravity 966 00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:38,159 technology 967 00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,409 60 years from electric motor means that 968 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,679 you know if we got something from 969 00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:45,480 Roswell we're about at the cusp now 970 00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,919 where we should start seeing it come out 971 00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,179 so 972 00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:50,159 it's intriguing it's an intriguing 973 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,899 possibility right 974 00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,480 100 yeah no that was a cool interview 975 00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,360 and go and check that out uh ancient 976 00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:59,039 apocalypse then is one that you wanted 977 00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,080 to bring up this is the Graham Hancock 978 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,539 series that has just been on Netflix 979 00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,000 I touched on this and the solo breakdown 980 00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:08,339 a few weeks ago and I I saw a little 981 00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:12,119 interesting factoid then uh that someone 982 00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:15,659 so the series largely in the mainstream 983 00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:18,359 press has been ridiculed derated and I 984 00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,500 think that's probably what Graham 985 00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:21,000 Hancock expected because it's something 986 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:23,940 he's he's kind of had to had to accept 987 00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:26,580 going through his his career that he 988 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,919 gets labels like pseudoscience and you 989 00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,440 know myth and no facts and no evidence 990 00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:33,000 thrown at him quite a lot so he'll be 991 00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:34,440 used to it and it's probably good 992 00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:35,820 advertising as well because it's still 993 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,379 doing really well on Netflix in the 994 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:40,020 charts but I saw an article that was 995 00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,460 quite scathing I think it was the 996 00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:43,139 guardian of the telegraph one of these 997 00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,139 reviewing it where it tears it apart the 998 00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,119 whole time and then says at the end and 999 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:49,919 even if all of that's not enough for you 1000 00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:52,740 just know that Graham Hancock's son is 1001 00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,500 the senior manager in charge of Netflix 1002 00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:58,140 unscripted originals so that's why he 1003 00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,880 basically got this commissioned I've 1004 00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,260 been unable to find if that was 1005 00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:03,119 definitely true or not I don't know if 1006 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,859 you would that because I messaged you 1007 00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:06,960 about this didn't I yeah you did I'm 1008 00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,339 just looking now I can't see anything 1009 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,920 obvious on the IMDb uh but I mean it 1010 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,240 wouldn't surprise me uh you know 1011 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:13,920 Productions are often done by people who 1012 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:15,540 have a passion for them you know because 1013 00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,359 this stuff I I heard about two years ago 1014 00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:21,540 that this was in the works so it's taken 1015 00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,339 a long time to kind of get there and it 1016 00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,380 would make sense the grams um uh you 1017 00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,540 know help get it there does that does 1018 00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:29,040 that change things for you like did you 1019 00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,079 leave things a little less no I don't 1020 00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,880 think so because 1021 00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:35,520 it fits Netflix given some of the 1022 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,900 content they have on there that you 1023 00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:39,000 would put within a similar vein I think 1024 00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,859 it's really well produced 1025 00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,660 um I think it looks beautiful I know 1026 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:44,160 sometimes I can say that in a way if 1027 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,540 something's about boarding it looks 1028 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,640 really nice but it does it's it's filmed 1029 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,160 in some fascinating locations 1030 00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,200 um I don't know if Eight Episodes is a 1031 00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:54,900 bit long for it I I think maybe 1032 00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,839 five or six might have been fine see I 1033 00:36:02,690 --> 00:35:59,880 kind of wanted more 1034 00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:02,700 um that's really interesting because 1035 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:04,980 you know I I love this stuff um and it 1036 00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:06,180 was very much the ancient kind of 1037 00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,500 civilizations of the world being back 1038 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,240 into the UFO fold you know as Tom Delan 1039 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:12,060 came out with ttsa uh but for you this 1040 00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,560 isn't this is like a new thing right 1041 00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,660 maybe not new but you know it's 1042 00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:17,820 something I've never dived into and yeah 1043 00:36:22,569 --> 00:36:20,099 watching this it was more of a I'm aware 1044 00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,579 of this stuff but here's some real 1045 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,380 here's a lot of examples with a lot of 1046 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,540 context and kind of the rich history of 1047 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:29,280 it or Rich history you know no pun 1048 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,540 intended 1049 00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:32,880 um but I thought it was interesting it 1050 00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,260 wouldn't change it for me if it was 1051 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:35,820 Graham Hancock's son that commissioned 1052 00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,660 it 1053 00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,359 um I can see why he does 1054 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:42,720 get a lot of aggro from the mainstream 1055 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,339 because it's the same as the UFO subject 1056 00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:46,380 and trying to talk about that oh there's 1057 00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:47,579 no proof there's no evidence it's 1058 00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,220 nonsense but there are some things that 1059 00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:52,260 are raised that you think oh I would 1060 00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,400 love to hear 1061 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,280 serious archaeologist come on and not 1062 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,440 debunk but have a recent conversation to 1063 00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,240 say well actually he makes this point 1064 00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:02,339 but the reason this could go back this 1065 00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,619 far is just this it could be any number 1066 00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:06,720 of things and that's just one of them so 1067 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,760 that that would be fair enough but it 1068 00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,260 just tends to be it's rubbished and 1069 00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:12,420 dismissed too quickly and it seems to me 1070 00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,040 there's a lot of archaeological new 1071 00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:16,920 digress Tysons out there very happy to 1072 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,619 just very well put thank you very happy 1073 00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:22,380 to sling their mind mud there's another 1074 00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,780 one for you uh Graham Hancock's work 1075 00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,780 without giving people like me who go oh 1076 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,520 that's interesting what's the argument 1077 00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,400 to the contrary in a paratable way that 1078 00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:34,920 I can digest that and go actually nah 1079 00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:36,420 Graham Hancock's going pure Ancient 1080 00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:38,700 Aliens there and doing the whole Giorgio 1081 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,140 circulus you know it must be aliens 1082 00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:42,720 because of this rather than giving you a 1083 00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,040 reasoned argument as to why it's 1084 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:46,079 definitely known I feel like almost the 1085 00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:48,119 title makes people think that way as 1086 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,740 well you know ancient apocalypse Ancient 1087 00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,880 Aliens they're not too far from each 1088 00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:52,079 other and I kind of wish that it was 1089 00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:53,339 yeah something else because a lot of 1090 00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:55,260 people said to me you know it's similar 1091 00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:56,520 does this mean that he's talking about 1092 00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:58,020 aliens and I was like yeah not 1093 00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,820 necessarily you know Graham doesn't he's 1094 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,500 not into the whole alien idea he doesn't 1095 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,359 think we need them he he's more a 1096 00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:06,060 champion of there's a big question to be 1097 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,800 asked here that there was something that 1098 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,300 happened during the younger dryers 1099 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,180 period uh where the ice age ended and 1100 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:14,400 there was massive warming and we don't 1101 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,380 really know why that happened and all of 1102 00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:18,000 this lines up with a lot of 1103 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:19,560 civilizations kind of I say 1104 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:22,020 civilizations Villages and sites and 1105 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,460 things like that kind of Disappearing 1106 00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,740 sea level rises things like that so 1107 00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:27,720 there's almost a picture being painted 1108 00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,540 that that's what needs discussion you 1109 00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,760 know why I don't wanna I'm bored of 1110 00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:34,920 hearing you know people say oh Graham 1111 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,940 Hancock shouldn't be listened to because 1112 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:37,619 he was on Joe Rogan or Graham Hancock 1113 00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:38,700 shouldn't be listened to because he went 1114 00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:40,200 and did Ayahuasca like these aren't 1115 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,579 arguments against the younger driest 1116 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:43,140 hypothesis you're attacking the person 1117 00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,200 not the message I I the same as you I I 1118 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:48,780 really would love a seasoned academic to 1119 00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,780 kind of address the younger driest 1120 00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:53,220 hypothesis about whether you know there 1121 00:38:56,829 --> 00:38:55,320 was solar flare or a bunch of impacts 1122 00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:56,839 because there are legitimately 1123 00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:59,820 peer-reviewed science papers now that 1124 00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:01,380 point out that yes something happened 1125 00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:03,900 yes it's probably an impact or a solar 1126 00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:06,300 flare and it's kind of starting to 1127 00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:07,740 change and I think in you know maybe 15 1128 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,520 20 years we'll we'll have essentially a 1129 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,960 Changing of the Guard in terms of 1130 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,700 archeology and things like that and 1131 00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,560 it'll be a much more accepted fact that 1132 00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,540 something happened but you know what one 1133 00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:21,359 thing I have seen thrown at it uh is the 1134 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,579 introduction of The Joe Rogan Clips 1135 00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,500 during the documentary and I think 1136 00:39:29,569 --> 00:39:27,359 that's just an attempt to try and give 1137 00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,579 it an extra level of credibility with 1138 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:31,740 the audience that oh look I was on Joe 1139 00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:34,140 Rogan which that that's fine it has has 1140 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,420 shown someone suggested to put that in 1141 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,820 there so great it doesn't add anything 1142 00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:41,280 to it and what maybe would have been 1143 00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,320 better placed would have been if he 1144 00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:46,619 could have gotten uh the mechquest of 1145 00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,599 the archaeological World someone on 1146 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,240 there with a knowledge and a respect to 1147 00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:52,859 come on and say look well you come here 1148 00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:55,740 and just for these short moments very 1149 00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,680 quickly debate or have Graham and other 1150 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:01,200 on the screen with him to say look I'm 1151 00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,060 presenting this information why would 1152 00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,280 archaeologists or why would why would a 1153 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,680 scholar or an academic you know whatever 1154 00:40:11,569 --> 00:40:10,200 the correct terminology would be why 1155 00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:11,579 would they debate this why would they 1156 00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:14,760 say this wasn't something more and just 1157 00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,500 have maybe that alternative Theory 1158 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,480 presented I think that's maybe what's 1159 00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,760 lacking within it just to have that 1160 00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,280 other side of the coin yeah I would 1161 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:25,320 agree with you it should be a discussion 1162 00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,760 where the the points are presented 1163 00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:28,560 because there are very compelling data 1164 00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:32,220 points to to you know that describe this 1165 00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:34,140 absolutely cataclysmic period to look 1166 00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,820 through and you you can definitely build 1167 00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,680 that narrative and story and there are 1168 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:39,060 things that we take for granted in that 1169 00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,380 kind of mainstream story like that we 1170 00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:42,359 all came out of Africa for example there 1171 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,859 are now a lot of studies emerging where 1172 00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,359 they're like oh maybe we didn't you know 1173 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,099 there are footprints over here or there 1174 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:49,560 are people hunting fish over here or you 1175 00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,000 know something else that kind of just 1176 00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:52,800 point to that story not necessarily 1177 00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,800 being absolute and that's where I kind 1178 00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:57,960 of want to see explored you know there's 1179 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,460 no point in just kind of sitting there 1180 00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:01,200 and saying I'm right they're wrong they 1181 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,240 should listen to me uh you know we 1182 00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,760 actually have to do the work here uh and 1183 00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,380 and you know find people that are worth 1184 00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:09,660 debating uh for Hancock and for Randall 1185 00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:11,579 Carlson and people like Robert shark and 1186 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:13,859 John Anthony West blesses her John 1187 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:15,000 Anthony west by the way if you're not 1188 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:16,859 familiar with the name he did a whole 1189 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,180 bunch of series about kind of the 1190 00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:20,280 pyramids and where they come from and 1191 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:22,140 all the anomalies there he's passed away 1192 00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,700 way now but that's very much kind of 1193 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,140 where all of that stuff kind of comes 1194 00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,200 from awesome and some of those sites are 1195 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,119 very beautiful very interesting I would 1196 00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:33,000 love to go there myself Dan in the very 1197 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:35,780 near future as in next week 1198 00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,339 yeah you are off on your travels aren't 1199 00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:40,020 you just um a good time to put this in 1200 00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:41,579 because people may notice in the coming 1201 00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,700 months that you are either missing for a 1202 00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:46,260 little bit of time or your audio sounds 1203 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,300 a bit different or your backgrounds are 1204 00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,040 a bit different and but you're heading 1205 00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:51,960 off for a while aren't you yeah that's 1206 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:54,839 right so I decided basically you know 1207 00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,480 saved up a bit of money quit my job gave 1208 00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:59,400 my notes on my flat and I'm just gonna 1209 00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:01,020 go traveling to kind of see a lot of 1210 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:03,000 these ancient sites and see a lot of UFO 1211 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,440 kind of hot spots and things like that 1212 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,420 I'll be going to New York first of all 1213 00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:08,280 to see this incredible conference the 1214 00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:09,780 the James and Jay have put together and 1215 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,119 meet everyone there and after that uh my 1216 00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,000 first spot is Mexico City uh where I'll 1217 00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:17,220 be going to kind of see the celebrations 1218 00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:20,220 around the Lady of Guadalupe uh which we 1219 00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,200 all know there's an attachment to UFOs 1220 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:24,660 into the miracle of Fatima there as well 1221 00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,460 as seeing a lot of these ancient sites 1222 00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:28,560 that you see in ancient apocalypse and 1223 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,880 this was planned before the show came 1224 00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,160 along just so we will know uh but I'll 1225 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,320 be doing you know lives and stuff like 1226 00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480 that from the sites themselves so feel 1227 00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:38,160 free to follow me on social media things 1228 00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,020 like that and you'll you'll see the 1229 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,520 videos of my travels and things like 1230 00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:43,920 that one place that I'm very interested 1231 00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:46,980 to go to is a town called Tampico uh on 1232 00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,220 the coast the Caribbean coast of Mexico 1233 00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:52,560 they think that Town everyone there says 1234 00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,839 the town is protected by an alien base 1235 00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,940 off the coast so hopefully I'm going to 1236 00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,440 spend New Years there and I'll get to 1237 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:00,359 watch the water and see if any light to 1238 00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,800 come out of the water like the locals 1239 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:04,380 say go scuba diving or New Year's Eve 1240 00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:05,460 there you go 1241 00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:07,020 um and I think you're you're going to be 1242 00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:08,280 meeting up with your Uncle Graham 1243 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,660 Hancock well you're out there no I'm 1244 00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:12,300 joking so there you are yeah um so yeah 1245 00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,619 that's it Daniel sounds a bit different 1246 00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,599 from time to time might be reporting 1247 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,579 from the field as such and literally 1248 00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,500 from the field at times 1249 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,420 um so yeah I'll be like your foreign 1250 00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:23,520 correspondent you know for the news well 1251 00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:27,180 you are because you're Welsh yeah true 1252 00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:29,339 um one or two last things folks before 1253 00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:30,900 we head off there was an interview I've 1254 00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:32,579 not managed to actually catch it yet Dan 1255 00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:34,980 you have uh Dr Brian Keating who 1256 00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,859 interviewed um along with Jay Mongol Tom 1257 00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,420 Delong and Jim simmer van you'll 1258 00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:41,880 remember earlier this year or late last 1259 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:48,829 um he interviewed Avila web and Dr Gary 1260 00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:52,020 Nolan at the same time and just a day or 1261 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:53,819 so ago some of those videos have however 1262 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,940 dropped online a quick point I wanted to 1263 00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:58,920 bring up um some of the clips I've seen 1264 00:44:03,770 --> 00:44:01,619 Gary Nolan talks about Louis zondo and 1265 00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,780 Chris Merlin bringing the conversation 1266 00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:06,119 on UFOs to a place where serious 1267 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,300 scientists like himself and Avi loib and 1268 00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:12,960 others are now getting on board and 1269 00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,420 a lot of people fall on different sides 1270 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,280 of Defense there are people who and I 1271 00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,960 have them on my topography to worship 1272 00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,819 Lou Alexander on the ground he walks on 1273 00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:22,560 and there are people on the other side 1274 00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:24,599 of it that think Luella zondo is 1275 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:27,420 disinformation psyops and all that kind 1276 00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,920 of stuff you know whatever it might be 1277 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,599 and then there's folks in the middle who 1278 00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:33,540 just take stuff at face value so 1279 00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:37,859 I wonder though as a lot of that 1280 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:40,260 hate towards people like Lou Elizondo 1281 00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,560 Chris melon because they have managed to 1282 00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:45,599 package something 1283 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,660 like the UFO subject in a way that has 1284 00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:50,460 allowed a progress that wasn't there 1285 00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:52,619 previously and they're liking it to as 1286 00:44:56,809 --> 00:44:54,180 someone who's just moved from Samsung to 1287 00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,819 Apple you know the Android users would 1288 00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,280 always say that they do it first but 1289 00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,960 what Apple do is they come along and 1290 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,000 wait a little while and and do it better 1291 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,000 and put it out in a more simplistic and 1292 00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:08,520 palatable way for people to use that 1293 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,380 product or consume that product and it 1294 00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:13,020 made me think is that all that 1295 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,819 the hate kind of goes towards people 1296 00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:16,740 like Lou and Chris melon and Gary Nolan 1297 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,640 for 1298 00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:20,160 because they've managed to do something 1299 00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,780 with this topic that's been around for 1300 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,520 so long but they've changed the 1301 00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:26,160 direction of it just by changing the 1302 00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:28,020 focus of the conversation am I making 1303 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:29,640 sense yeah you're making sense 1304 00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:32,460 absolutely and I think you know people 1305 00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:35,220 are naturally 1306 00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,800 when when folks start falling out of 1307 00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,839 favor you know off our screens some some 1308 00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:41,400 people can 1309 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,700 not enjoy that a lot uh and like you say 1310 00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,839 I think 1311 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:48,119 maybe some professional jealousy or Envy 1312 00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:49,800 or something like that or or the 1313 00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:51,540 conversation just isn't going how the 1314 00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,980 person wanted it to go you know we're 1315 00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,540 very much going down a nuts and bolts 1316 00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,280 Road there's you know experience the 1317 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,960 discussions are very much ahead of us in 1318 00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,720 terms of the legislation and the the 1319 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:03,000 official Congress conversation 1320 00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:04,200 so 1321 00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:07,079 depending on how people would pitch the 1322 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,960 subject to someone would mean that they 1323 00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,760 maybe disagree with how these people 1324 00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,680 have put it together 1325 00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:15,900 I suppose a back example Stephen Greer 1326 00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,819 who for years and this is not to say 1327 00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:19,680 Stephen Creed is Right Dr Steven Greer 1328 00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,200 that's right or wrong but he has he will 1329 00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,280 send his people after you if you don't 1330 00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,579 say doctor he will yeah um I think on 1331 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,079 your travels you're attending one of his 1332 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:30,119 meditations and flare droppings aren't 1333 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,900 you 1334 00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,700 um no hard joke of course I would have 1335 00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:35,280 that even gave me in trouble yeah 1336 00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,800 um no but like Dr Steven Greer famously 1337 00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,599 and would still say to to this day 1338 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,280 Daniel spoke to him recently with Jay 1339 00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,859 Mungo that you know these beings are 1340 00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,660 friendly it's loving light they're here 1341 00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:47,339 to help us we've got all these lovely 1342 00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,319 what lovely warnings lovely warnings 1343 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,880 that's a weird thing to say but you know 1344 00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:53,520 These Warnings from them and then 1345 00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,260 someone like hello Elizondo comes along 1346 00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,720 and we hear threat narrative and we hear 1347 00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,119 military and we hear you know XY and 1348 00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:02,220 gimbal Tic Tac go fast and it just 1349 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:04,140 totally changes all this stuff that's 1350 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:07,500 been been in someone's narrative and you 1351 00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,760 can see why that would totally throw 1352 00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,680 them off wouldn't you because and it was 1353 00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,200 a bit like when we saw Linda Moulton how 1354 00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:15,300 interview Chris melon 1355 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,780 my God that was like you know Mr T and 1356 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:20,160 Roddy Piper meeting there were just two 1357 00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:21,540 characters from two different worlds 1358 00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:23,400 where you were like ah this was a very 1359 00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,900 strange sight to see in the same place 1360 00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:26,579 at the same time 1361 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,220 um and yeah it was very very strange to 1362 00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,380 see that and I just yeah it just made me 1363 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,420 think because it was Brian Keating was 1364 00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,400 bringing up Gary Nolan's had a lot of 1365 00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,319 attacks and hate thrown his way and 1366 00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:39,839 Gary's very much water off a Ducks back 1367 00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,400 for him isn't it he doesn't he doesn't 1368 00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,260 bother with that really I'm sure it 1369 00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:45,240 bothers him in some way but it gets on 1370 00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,980 with it and it just made me start to 1371 00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:48,300 think about is it just the way these 1372 00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:49,619 things are packaged by different people 1373 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,540 were there any other highlights for you 1374 00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,520 from that interview from from Dr Keating 1375 00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,859 and Abby and Gary there were a few 1376 00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,300 things that I've seen discussed that I 1377 00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:59,400 just wanted to touch on uh one one thing 1378 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,520 is that people are saying that Avi food 1379 00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,440 the Tic Tac stuff that essentially you 1380 00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:06,119 know pushed off the table and I wouldn't 1381 00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:07,980 say that's true at all Abby just kind of 1382 00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:09,420 made the point that without the 1383 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,220 classified data the sensor data it's 1384 00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:13,800 really hard to get a thorough idea of 1385 00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:15,660 what happened so your mileage is going 1386 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,859 to vary when you're listening to people 1387 00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,839 uh talk about that case whether it's 1388 00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,819 favor or Chad Underwood 1389 00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:22,859 um but I would say that I feel like 1390 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,780 there's a lot that Avi could could 1391 00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,359 research that he might not have yet so 1392 00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,920 listening to those interviews with the 1393 00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:30,359 person who filmed it 1394 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,800 um and the Dave fraver ones and things 1395 00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,359 like that I I think would be beneficial 1396 00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:36,240 for him but I can also see that he he 1397 00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,740 wants to come from a really pure Place 1398 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,319 scientifically because even since 1399 00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:41,760 bringing his book out 1400 00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,460 Abby's being attacked by 1401 00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,680 I'm going to change the word attacked 1402 00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:48,900 actually I'm going to say disparaged uh 1403 00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,000 by by a lot of academics about how he 1404 00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,099 frames his conversations because a lot 1405 00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,440 of it is about ET 1406 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,359 but I would just say that that that is 1407 00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:59,160 just Avi in a nutshell he's really 1408 00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:00,180 hopeful that we're going to find 1409 00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:02,700 something out there he's he always says 1410 00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,700 scientists should be like kids and what 1411 00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:07,920 what more could we want than a bunch of 1412 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,780 curious children who know science like 1413 00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,220 the back of their hand looking at the 1414 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,980 sky searching for UFOs like it's you 1415 00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,420 know it's what we've always wanted so 1416 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,819 yeah just support that project I would 1417 00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:20,640 say a lot of things are being rolled out 1418 00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:22,680 for project Galileo a couple of their 1419 00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,079 sensor systems are in place now uh 1420 00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,900 they're looking for more uh 1421 00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,760 funding so that they can get more sense 1422 00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:32,280 of stuff out but it sounds like the 1423 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:33,780 question was asked at one point by Brian 1424 00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:34,859 Keaton 1425 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:37,079 to Abby what would you do with unlimited 1426 00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:37,920 money 1427 00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:41,099 and Avi responded with that's not a 1428 00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:43,140 hypothetical anymore which I thought was 1429 00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:44,760 interesting this guy was like wait do 1430 00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:46,140 you have unlimited money as long as you 1431 00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:48,780 can justify it as someone you know as a 1432 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:50,280 billionaire come to you and said hey as 1433 00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:51,119 long as you can tell me how you're 1434 00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:52,740 spending this money and justify I will 1435 00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:53,880 give you everything you need to do this 1436 00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,220 properly uh that that's really 1437 00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,200 intriguing the other thing I wanted to 1438 00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,720 touch on was the the NASA study uh where 1439 00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:03,119 there's a lot of conversation with it's 1440 00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:04,740 very evident that people think 1441 00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,940 that NASA are doing the research now yep 1442 00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:11,099 and there's a frustration that comes 1443 00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:12,300 along with that because they look at 1444 00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:13,859 that you know what it's being funded and 1445 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,940 they kind of say oh that's not enough to 1446 00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,140 do a good job 1447 00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,599 what NASA are doing now are planning the 1448 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,040 study they're not actually doing the 1449 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,260 study what we'll hear next year when 1450 00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:24,480 when this team that's been kind of 1451 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,859 announced and you can see them on the 1452 00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:27,960 NASA website when they come forward they 1453 00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:30,119 will just have basically a 10-point plan 1454 00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,800 you know don't hold me to that 10-point 1455 00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:33,900 thing but essentially a 10-point plan to 1456 00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,319 study UFOs in a scientific manner 1457 00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:39,300 they're not there to say whether they're 1458 00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:40,740 real or not 1459 00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:43,560 so when people like Nadia Drake uh you 1460 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:44,940 know son of Francis Drake of the Drake 1461 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,460 equation when when she oh sorry daughter 1462 00:50:50,650 --> 00:50:48,780 not son 1463 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,660 um 1464 00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,760 a little slam yeah when when she says 1465 00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,740 this stuff is probably not E.T yes 1466 00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:57,119 people are absolutely correct she's 1467 00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:59,099 concluding before she's looked but also 1468 00:51:02,569 --> 00:51:01,140 she's not gonna be someone that's asked 1469 00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:02,579 to come up for a conclusion for whether 1470 00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,619 these things are real or not this study 1471 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,599 is happening because someone at Nasa the 1472 00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,160 higher ups have decided yeah these are 1473 00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,319 absolutely real UAP is a real thing we 1474 00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:12,780 need to figure out how we can help 1475 00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:14,099 awesome 1476 00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,420 um a couple of things just before we 1477 00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:18,000 round off a few listeners in the Discord 1478 00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,800 chat had asked us to mention a few 1479 00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:21,480 things some of which we've talked about 1480 00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,780 and Dan did you see two weeks ago the 1481 00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:26,339 Bigelow Institute for Consciousness 1482 00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,420 tweet 1483 00:51:31,569 --> 00:51:29,819 uh which again I'll just read because 1484 00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,579 I've got it up here 1485 00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,720 and make a little internship for 1486 00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:35,400 Consciousness studies tweeted out on 1487 00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,859 November 15th is Humanity facing an 1488 00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:39,660 extinction level event in the near 1489 00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:42,059 future an important part of the bics 1490 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:44,220 grants program is the fund research that 1491 00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:45,480 considers this problem through 1492 00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:47,160 authenticated and corroborated 1493 00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,260 information that can be shown to come 1494 00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:52,020 from senior sources on quote unquote the 1495 00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,260 other side thoughts on that one then 1496 00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:56,940 really interesting it made me think of 1497 00:52:03,010 --> 00:52:01,020 um oh the name's gonna Escape me now the 1498 00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,020 the something experiments basically 1499 00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,280 that's really going to bug me I I 1500 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,720 promise though that I'll find a link to 1501 00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,160 it and we'll put it in the description 1502 00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:10,020 uh because they were afterlife 1503 00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,460 experiments essentially where a bunch of 1504 00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:12,960 people were gathered in the room a lot 1505 00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:14,220 of Skeptics were there and they were 1506 00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:15,900 asking questions to people on the other 1507 00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:19,380 side during these these experiments 1508 00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,220 there was a sealed you know never opened 1509 00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:25,380 uh canister of camera film put in a safe 1510 00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:27,960 in the room that these people were in 1511 00:52:32,990 --> 00:52:31,319 the answers to their questions had 1512 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,000 somehow been scraped into the camera 1513 00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:35,280 film and they were kind of supposedly 1514 00:52:39,309 --> 00:52:37,380 technology shared and stories shared 1515 00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:39,319 along this kind of strip of of 1516 00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:42,780 photographic uh 1517 00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,579 found me the term escaping film yeah 1518 00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:48,000 film a longer strip of photo film uh 1519 00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,319 where it was just scratched into it and 1520 00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,880 ever since then I've been really curious 1521 00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,800 as to whether we could converse with the 1522 00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,960 other side and get technology back that 1523 00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:56,940 would help us converse with them what 1524 00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,579 intrigues me about that though is the 1525 00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:01,980 kind of the ancient apocalypse kind of 1526 00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:03,780 angled to all that uh you know is there 1527 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,839 an impending catastrophe and 1528 00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,760 the ancient apocalypse idea is that 1529 00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:10,800 there is a meteor stream that every time 1530 00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:12,599 earth goes through it it's like running 1531 00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,300 across I'm going to say the M4 it's the 1532 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,520 M4 is a massive Road in the UK that you 1533 00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:18,720 know chances are you're gonna get hit by 1534 00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:22,260 a car if you run across it so 1535 00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,800 if there are meteors uh that will hit 1536 00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:27,300 Earth in their stream that means that 1537 00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:29,640 there's a kind of a regular clock cycle 1538 00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,380 to it the way we can say the earth is 1539 00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:34,079 most in danger here so I'd be curious as 1540 00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,819 to whether any of the people that are 1541 00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,160 responding to this request from the 1542 00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,680 Bigelow Institute have a notion that you 1543 00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:42,359 know maybe a solar flare or a meteor is 1544 00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,460 coming that lines up maybe with the data 1545 00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,859 that Graham Hancock's dug up from these 1546 00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:48,180 various different bits of work by 1547 00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:54,349 another one is the pronunciation of 1548 00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,660 Virginia Virginia 1549 00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,300 Virginia obviously Brazil where the 1550 00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:02,819 crash was in the mid 90s 1551 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,260 someone just asked us to pretend to 1552 00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,000 pronounce it Brenda for Virginia 1553 00:54:10,270 --> 00:54:08,220 Virginia I know some people just read it 1554 00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,280 like vagina so that that's acceptable 1555 00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,720 every time every time 1556 00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,599 um so yeah and um also someone asked 1557 00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,460 about our thoughts on Tim birchett's 1558 00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,740 interview with Jay from Project Unity 1559 00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,839 um sounding more glum than was cool talk 1560 00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:23,640 obviously Tim burchett's been pretty 1561 00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:26,880 upset and annoyed that so much is being 1562 00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,440 repressed in terms of information 1563 00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:31,200 clearly someone who's seen a lot more 1564 00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:34,020 than he lets on in terms of videos and 1565 00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:35,819 classified briefings and I've heard a 1566 00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:38,099 lot more than he lets on as well do you 1567 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,720 understand the frustrations of a 1568 00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,960 temperature has politics aside uh in 1569 00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,480 terms of 1570 00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520 that frustration like he saw that the 1571 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:49,200 the Congressional hearing that happened 1572 00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:52,260 the the disaster with the VLC media 1573 00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:54,599 player trying to show a video you know 1574 00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:56,819 brain moultries kind of known answers 1575 00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,200 and him just been really really 1576 00:55:02,329 --> 00:55:00,420 disappointed at the end of it yeah 1577 00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:02,339 absolutely I I can see Tim's frustration 1578 00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:05,099 the the one thing I do think about what 1579 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,839 Tim says is that there's a lot of 1580 00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:08,940 personal stuff coming into it so when we 1581 00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:10,260 hear him say you know there's been a 1582 00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:11,940 cover of for years he doesn't know that 1583 00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:13,020 there's a program with a closed door 1584 00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,940 necessarily I I get the impression that 1585 00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,079 he's just frustrated for the same 1586 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:18,000 reasons we are he's grown up reading 1587 00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:20,700 about this he knows that there has been 1588 00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,579 hijinks and cover-ups over the years and 1589 00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:25,440 that there's something to uncover here 1590 00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:27,000 he just happens to be in a position 1591 00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,619 where you know he can push a few buttons 1592 00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,000 kind of thing and and speak with 1593 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,119 authority on it I would love 1594 00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:35,880 kind of his mind to you know to to see 1595 00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,119 exactly what he's seen uh if he's been 1596 00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,720 shown classified stuff uh you know stuff 1597 00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:44,220 that essentially has been shown in 1598 00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:46,800 closed door briefings that that's where 1599 00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:48,300 I want to hear him open up about really 1600 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,940 uh hearing him say I'm frustrated I'm 1601 00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:53,520 just like cool Tim excellent so we'll 1602 00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:55,319 let's give it give us some of the 1603 00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:56,760 details you know if you're that 1604 00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,760 frustrated spill 1605 00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,040 yeah and someone else asked about they 1606 00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,359 would just like to hear from people like 1607 00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,920 Lou since it's been a while since they 1608 00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:07,079 had from them one way you can hear from 1609 00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:10,859 Leila zondo Dan is is so last year we 1610 00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:13,260 did uh some fundraising we did a charity 1611 00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:16,440 raffle and the top prize was a call with 1612 00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:18,359 Lou Alexander and that the prize was 1613 00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:20,280 given to the person who donated most so 1614 00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,300 this year we're going to be launching 1615 00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:23,040 the raffle this week so keep an eye out 1616 00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,619 for it the top and it's good just just 1617 00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,720 to say it's through UAP media UK so 1618 00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,640 you're going to hear this from Vinnie uh 1619 00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:30,720 disclosure team you're going to hear 1620 00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,339 Ryan Sprague talk about it on somewhere 1621 00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:33,839 in the skies you'll see Graham Randall 1622 00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,880 and Dave Partridge all tweeting about it 1623 00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,800 and mentioning it too yeah absolutely 1624 00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,839 that's right so we we have a whole load 1625 00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:42,059 of great prizes uh from from various 1626 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:43,800 people who've donated them but the top 1627 00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:47,520 prize is a call with Lou himself and a 1628 00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,839 signed copy of his book when it does 1629 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:50,339 eventually come out so keep an eye on 1630 00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,720 your socials we'll launch that this week 1631 00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:53,339 there's also a project that I'm very 1632 00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,660 proud of that's kind of going to be one 1633 00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,760 of the prizes and that is not too long 1634 00:57:01,370 --> 00:56:59,099 ago I got in touch with a bunch of 1635 00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,380 outstanding artists in the UFO community 1636 00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:03,300 on Twitter and things like that as well 1637 00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,740 as some people who were outside of the 1638 00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:05,760 community you know we have a children's 1639 00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,859 author and 1640 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:09,359 essentially we've all made Christmas 1641 00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:11,400 cards that are UFO themed all the money 1642 00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:12,780 is going to be going to charity as well 1643 00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:15,420 so those will hopefully be up on Monday 1644 00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:17,160 and people can buy them and all of the 1645 00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:18,540 proceeds go for charity we're not taking 1646 00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,460 a penny all those rights oh sorry all 1647 00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,839 those artists retain rights to their 1648 00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:24,000 work as well and they will be championed 1649 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:25,980 and I can't wait to show off the art and 1650 00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,260 to yeah to show people the just the 1651 00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:29,520 wonderful things that everyone's done 1652 00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:31,980 yeah last year was amazing and it's just 1653 00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,480 nice to give a little something back the 1654 00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,920 Charities this year should be I think 1655 00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,780 the Humane Society for animals again 1656 00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,420 that's right and also cash for kids 1657 00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:41,040 which is a big charity here in the UK 1658 00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,900 helping impoverished children and 1659 00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:44,460 something that's already launched you 1660 00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:45,960 may have seen if you're on social media 1661 00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:48,599 I know many of you are not as the the 1662 00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:51,059 very popular outro to this podcast is by 1663 00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,859 Sean Cahill people still don't know that 1664 00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:54,240 I mention it all the time but people 1665 00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:55,319 don't 1666 00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:57,420 um and it's called Goblin problems it's 1667 00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,339 not really available online many places 1668 00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:01,440 but people always ask me to send it and 1669 00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:02,940 I always have Sean's been really good 1670 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,619 basically saying you know do what you 1671 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:06,839 like and so I asked Sean if we could 1672 00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:09,540 release it as I can charity single so 1673 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:11,160 there is a link in the description to 1674 00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,540 the podcast it's on a site called 1675 00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:14,880 bandcamp and for three pounds which is 1676 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:16,680 about four dollars or roughly whatever 1677 00:58:20,329 --> 00:58:18,780 that is in your currency you can donate 1678 00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:20,339 more than that if you want to any 1679 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,200 proceeds they basically take a very 1680 00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:24,420 small percentage for their fees then the 1681 00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:26,040 rest of it comes to me into an account 1682 00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:27,960 and that will be getting donated fully 1683 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,780 to cash for kids as well so if you want 1684 00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:33,000 to purchase a digital copy of the outro 1685 00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:34,800 to the podcast Goblin problems which 1686 00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:36,299 you'll hear in a couple of minutes and 1687 00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,619 I'm not going to play it in full for a 1688 00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:39,180 few weeks so anyone who does enjoy it go 1689 00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,920 and get the single 1690 00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:42,839 um then yeah please do because it's just 1691 00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,460 a little something back really 1692 00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:46,319 appreciate it thanks to everyone who has 1693 00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,640 already it's been really really great 1694 00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,680 and again at this time of year it's just 1695 00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,240 nice to be able to to give something 1696 00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:54,000 back to animals kids that you know maybe 1697 00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:56,220 don't have what everyone else has so and 1698 00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,420 I get there's people in a lot of very 1699 00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,339 difficult situations so thank you very 1700 00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,440 much got some other cool prizes donated 1701 00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:03,540 I have had here for about six months now 1702 00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:05,460 a listener sent me if you'll remember 1703 00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:09,240 Bob Lazar was doing sign the prince of 1704 00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,460 the sports model saucer and one of those 1705 00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:13,619 was donated by a listener in Finland so 1706 00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:15,540 that is still sitting right in front of 1707 00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,880 me here in a tube over just I'm pointing 1708 00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,619 but yeah if you're on audio ignore the 1709 00:59:22,849 --> 00:59:21,359 point well you wouldn't see it anyway to 1710 00:59:24,049 --> 00:59:22,859 ignore just picture it in your mind if 1711 00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:24,059 you're yeah if you're on YouTube that's 1712 00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:26,099 a form of telepathy I'm saying it now it 1713 00:59:29,329 --> 00:59:27,540 is yes they are 1714 00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,339 um some of Richard Dolan's guests would 1715 00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:31,680 disagree with that Dan even existing 1716 00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:33,000 um but yeah so there are lots of cool 1717 00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:34,680 stuff the the tickets will be cheap 1718 00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,119 anyone will have a chance of winning 1719 00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:38,160 stuff on it anything you can give is 1720 00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:40,200 much appreciated but if you want to pick 1721 00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:42,180 up a digital copy of the outro to the 1722 00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,799 podcast you can donate what you like for 1723 00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:45,780 it that would be very much appreciated 1724 00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:48,299 from us but that is pretty much us for 1725 00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:50,460 today so Dan thanks for your time thank 1726 00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:51,960 you it's always always a pleasure 1727 00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,460 highlight of my day to talk to you 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